tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3752394460943097243.post1054151436178316472..comments2023-05-03T17:02:02.939+03:00Comments on Caleb Belaç: Unreformed and Unashamed: Introduction (1 of 3)C. N.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02061468737735135974noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3752394460943097243.post-49246829443687081492014-11-08T10:40:38.889+03:002014-11-08T10:40:38.889+03:00Andrew Simate Sitali No that is not what i think,f...Andrew Simate Sitali No that is not what i think,fortunately,what am saying is as the church has been reforming it has been more organized better today to include some of the aspects you addressed.But what i said was those two are part of the reformed tradition but one could be reformed and not hold strictly to those traditions,for example early reformers practiced infant baptism but today you can find some who do not do that.So those two elements you addressed so well are part of it,without being at the center of the reformed tradition,a good examples are some reformers in Southern Baptist like Al Mohler but who are are not covenantal in the Presbyterian sense.<br />23 hrs · Like<br /><br />Caleb Nakina Just to be clear, Andrew, do you consider Martin Luther (the reformer) to be reformed in the sense that I am talking about reformed theology?<br />3 hrs · LikeC. N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02061468737735135974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3752394460943097243.post-37136364222797111042014-11-08T10:40:08.553+03:002014-11-08T10:40:08.553+03:00Caleb Nakina Again, if "reformed" is sim...Caleb Nakina Again, if "reformed" is simply another way of saying "non-Catholic," I would be the last person to call myself unreformed; I am not Catholic. But if Covenant Theology and the Regulative Principle are integral to the definition of "reformed," I get disqualified from the set of reformed people for my conviction which is contrary to both Covenant Theology and the Regulative Principle.<br />October 27 at 7:08pm · Like<br /><br />Andrew Simate Sitali Do you agree that Calvin and Luther at the start are not emphasizing those two?check out what really spark the reformation,more than just denying Catholicism but rediscovering the gospel and summarizing bible truths like that.Anyway nice to know you don't struggle with the Sola's and maybe Calvinism.I am with you especially on the covenant theology.<br />October 27 at 7:15pm · Like<br /><br />Oduor Obunga Simate, Christians of the reformed tradition generally subscribe to covenant theology. I would venture to say that it is an organizing rubric among the reformed. Of course there is no denying that the "SOLAS" also occupy an important place among the reformed. That said, I would venture to say that the "SOLAS" (Sola fide, sola scriptura etc) are held by evangelicals (say Baptists for instance, who would not identify themselves as reformed (FBCR for instance) ). I hesitate to say that the doctrines of grace (read TULIP) are distinctive to reformed theology. There are churches ( FBCR, EBC) that wholeheartedly subscribe to these doctrines but do not identify themselves as reformed. I think then that Caleb means that covenant theology is the one distinctive feature of the reformed camp. Please note that by so stating I mean not to de-emphasize the importance they place on TULIP and the SOLAS. I mean to say that its not only those of the "reformed" that subscribe to those (TULIP/SOLA). We must limit terms if we are to have a meaningful discussion otherwise we will be all over the place.<br />October 27 at 8:51pm · Like · 1<br /><br />Andrew Simate Sitali Ya nice points Bro Nixon,i was approaching it from a historical point of view.<br />October 27 at 9:01pm · Like<br /><br />Kelvin Kahyata hey chimutu hw ar u?<br />October 27 at 9:40pm · Unlike · 1<br /><br />Andrew Simate Sitali Oduor Obunga and Caleb Nakina happy reformation day,please look out for articles on Reformation,i just saw a number of them by good authors,guess what they are highlighting the SOLA's yes there are other things like the two Caleb raised.But it seems to me at the core of it all can be found the sola's.Remember it was protesting from the corrupted church to getting back to the Bible and rediscovering of the gospel.<br />October 31 at 10:44am · Unlike · 1<br /><br />Caleb Nakina Andrew, it seems you think that what is called reformed theology today equals the protestant reformation. In that regard, you seem quite mistaken. (After all, because of their name, Pentecostals also think that they are the wing of Christianity that best represents the day of Pentecost.) As I understand it, what is called reformed theology today is the wing of the protestant reformation that follows closest in John Calvin's footsteps. As such, I understand the protestants who do not follow Calvin as closely to not be reformed. Obviously, Calvin was not the only leader of the protestant reformation.<br />Yesterday at 10:27am · LikeC. N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02061468737735135974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3752394460943097243.post-62969668598770321372014-11-08T10:38:05.348+03:002014-11-08T10:38:05.348+03:00Conversation imported from Facebook
Here is why I...Conversation imported from Facebook<br /><br />Here is why I am unreformed and unashamed to be so, just so you know. Welcome to this 3-post series!<br /><br />The ChristRay Blog: Unreformed and Unashamed: Introduction<br />This comments section has potential to fulfill the as-iron-sharpens-iron... purpose. All it is waiting for is your input. Do hit that keyboard.<br />CALEBNAKINA.BLOGSPOT.NL|BY CALEB NAKINA<br />LikeLike · · Share<br />Michael Maura, Mapalo Ndhlovu, Castrol Chola Mwape and 3 others like this.<br />1 share<br /><br />Sandala Mwanje Ok. We are following... I think it's ok to end at the five points:)<br />October 24 at 12:16pm · Unlike · 1<br /><br />Andrew Simate Sitali Nice title you caught my attention i will try and make time to read all three,thanks for writting.<br />October 24 at 1:10pm · Unlike · 1<br /><br />Chimba Ireri I've read through, i like the vocabulary used, u shld consider writing a book.<br />October 24 at 2:07pm · Unlike · 2<br /><br />Andrew Simate Sitali Good article i enjoyed reading it.I think you have done a bit of reductionism,regulative principal and covenant theology are just some things part of the Reformed tradition.The Solas 6 from what i am aware are more good summary of the reformation.<br />October 24 at 8:14pm · Edited · Unlike · 1<br /><br />Chopo Mwanza You have got my attention!!!! I am so looking forward to the next blogs!!! VERY CURIOUS:)<br />October 27 at 6:18pm · Unlike · 1<br /><br />Caleb Nakina Andrew, my argument is that I do not agree with certain parts of reformed theology (i.e. Covenant Theology and the Regulative Principle) not that either of these fully defines what reformed theology is. I consider myself unreformed only to the extent t...See More<br />October 27 at 6:36pm · Like<br /><br />Andrew Simate Sitali Ok thanks for that clarification,but to be unreformed one would have to deny the 6 solas and also trash the Doctrines of Grace and deny God's sovereignty.Reformation is very large, no wander some who are charismatic can be included in it,even when they deny the regulative principle.In America you now have many who are reformed and are dispensation,an interesting mixing going as far as scripture goes and leaving of certain reformed tradition.<br />October 27 at 6:42pm · Unlike · 1<br /><br />Caleb Nakina Ironically, it seems you are being reductionistic when you choose a part (the solae) to summarize the whole. Take a quick glance at the list on http://www.theopedia.com/Reformed_theology to see what I mean.<br />Reformed theology - Theopedia, an encyclopedia of Biblical Christianity<br />Reformed theology is generally considered synonymous with Calvinism and most often, in the U.S. and the UK, is specifically associated with the theology of the historic church confessions such as the Westminster Confession of Faith or the Three Forms of Unity.<br />THEOPEDIA.COM<br />October 27 at 6:49pm · Edited · Like · Remove Preview<br /><br />Andrew Simate Sitali Well just look at the history of the reformation and where it spread,the emphasis was the solas and later Calvinism.One couldn't be reformed in the historical sense of it, without the solas,but one can deny the regulative principle (developed later in the puritan age or covenant theology and be reformed in the historical sense of the term.I just schemed through that link and first on the least are the Sola's.<br />October 27 at 6:59pm · Unlike · 1C. N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02061468737735135974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3752394460943097243.post-29191244669987712732014-11-04T16:14:35.977+03:002014-11-04T16:14:35.977+03:00Thanks for your kind words, Qitonga. I agree with ...Thanks for your kind words, Qitonga. I agree with you that our Independent Baptist circles need a lot of work too--especially with regards to the typical bad leadership style, but I will not be the one to "save us all." Only God can save at all. He definitely does so via our prayers, and He may even choose to use our feeble attempts. We must never cease from looking to Him in prayer (1 Thessalonians 5:17 ff.). "Let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap if we do not give up" (Galatians 6:9, NASB).C. N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02061468737735135974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3752394460943097243.post-76703121180240425472014-10-28T15:56:30.451+03:002014-10-28T15:56:30.451+03:00Hi Caleb!
Am amazed by the truth you have found j...Hi Caleb!<br />Am amazed by the truth you have found just by being around churches. could it be God's guiding. or others may say predestination. actually, an a independent Baptist and yeh! i dont agree with the reformed version. the sad thing is that even by staying too long with indep. baptists has taught me a thing or two about their leadership...it needs prayers and mine are not working. the comforting thing is that in all this God is in charge. continue the good work some day you might save us all...perhaps lead us.<br /><br />qitonga qithome<br />facebookAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3752394460943097243.post-71005655902976574302014-10-27T18:32:12.933+03:002014-10-27T18:32:12.933+03:00Are you on Facebook? You could follow some discuss...Are you on Facebook? You could follow some discussions concerning this post on https://www.facebook.com/caleb.nakina/posts/960140223999766?comment_id=962562793757509&offset=0&total_comments=5&notif_t=share_commentC. N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02061468737735135974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3752394460943097243.post-11284026846310405152014-10-27T17:57:16.758+03:002014-10-27T17:57:16.758+03:00Thanks for your kind words, bro. Knowing that you ...Thanks for your kind words, bro. Knowing that you will read them too will be a motivation to not do a shoddy job and waste your precious time. ;)C. N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02061468737735135974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3752394460943097243.post-64898714519875826482014-10-27T17:11:38.308+03:002014-10-27T17:11:38.308+03:00Well you have definitely got my attention. I look ...Well you have definitely got my attention. I look forward to read you next blogs. Particularly the regulative principal of worship..Chopo Mwanzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06722167317083969666noreply@blogger.com